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[razenWing]

200 posts ago, I made about my forray into the realm of Gods and Monsters. I don't think adapted poorly, in fact my average match score has gone up season by season despite climbing that ladder.

But as I was staring at my arsenal of 100+ mechanical yesterday, I realized... Wow I am not enjoying this... Like at all.

If you want to do good consistently, brawl is basically dead in high tier game. Nobody got to that stage without the most effective method, which from the beginn8ng of time, has always been to shoot before you get shot back. Even if it's boring as hell, at the end of the day, you just have to land one more shot than the other side, right? That's why top teams like EMP never pushes, but rely on their impressive shooting skills to make a mockery of poptarting.

Note, I'm not bashing those guys. They play the hand they're dealt, and they can make pocket Queens work better than every other suckers.

My point... so going to Solo que, you stick to that range wack a mole game and there's basically like a few meta builds that will f you the least even if you have trash teammates. Needless to say, as much as I like EBJs... having my life revolve around one mech is just no fun with other hundred mech sitting in the bench. In lower ques, before people get the necessity of meta, people are more willing to try wacky builds that often time, means cqc (w a lot more lrms, downside)

High tier games, none of that noise... Just... Boring.

I mean, I could always drop in groups. But let's set aside the tonnage limitation and you don't want to always hog the tonnage and/or people need to be online, you go in there with finally... You diverse builds, your fun builds, and because you work in a team , they work out great!!

Till you run into those EMPs tier comp teams. And you realize, crap, outside of running the exact same meta yawn builds and lose a slower more competitive death, you are just going to get trashed otherwise.

So either you play their game, make your game no fun, but at least have a chance every single game...
Or
You play your game, your team is good enough to win against everyone except you will be trashed every 2 to 3 games because of meta try hard.

All this culminate to my exhaustion toward the gameplay. Again, this is not to blame the super teams. Plenty of wannabe teams do the same thing and get trashed. They just play their pocket Queens better than everyone else. That's not their fault that the game is the way it is. But I do blame PGI for not introducing modes or maps to break up deathball or range... And/or not limiting twitch reflex skills over strategic decision making.

But even that's getting old. No point blaming PGI when they won't do a thing about it. Everyone is just OK with being satisfactory because there's always s9meone they can beat up on. Emp laughs every time there's less sjr 9n the other side... Vice versa so on and so forth... No one really cares because of the status quo. New mech is just an excuse to see how well it can adapt to the meta instead of the other way around. Yawn

Edited by razenWing, 05 July 2017 - 06:57 AM.

[Savage Wolf]

Problem is that some people like it. Maybe because that is how they earned their Tier 1 badge of honor for being good at the game. These also complain loudly if the meta is changed or their god mech is nerfed. They want their one track gratification. They will say it's about skills and gittin gud, but mostly it's just the skills and the gud that they have. They do not want that taken away, they do not want to evolve.

I'm not saying all top tier players are like this, just a very vocal group of them.

I hope that PGI will realise that these players should not be taken as seriously and instead allow for more types of players to be successful in the game and providing more types of game play which in turn will allow for more players to play their game.

Edited by Savage Wolf, 05 July 2017 - 07:08 AM.

[Natred]

Please dont tell me your one of the players who piggy backs of others using lrms and your sad it does not work against seasoned opponents

Edited by Natred, 05 July 2017 - 07:11 AM.

[Mar-X-maN]

I have turned off all chat. Filtered out all my non c-bill bonus mechs. Got rid of almost all the weapons I don't enjoy.
Still keep moving up the tier system. Just playing how I want (that's the right I paid for) and do what I can with
my current "random" mech to add value to my team.

I am having fun again.

Edited by Mar X maN, 05 July 2017 - 07:15 AM.

[Mar-X-maN]

Natred, on 05 July 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

Please dont tell me your one of the players who piggy backs of others using lrms and your sad it does not work against seasoned opponents

Please don't tell me your one of the players who piggy backs of others using direct fire weapons to hog the limited poking spots, try to take said poking spots when they are occupied and/or get the current occupant killed by blocking his/hers retread (i.e. make your assaults esp. Daishi useless by blocking its line of fire) and your sad it does not work against seasoned opponents

[razenWing]

Natred, on 05 July 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

Please dont tell me your one of the players who piggy backs of others using lrms and your sad it does not work against seasoned opponents

Pretty sure you played against me enough to know my reputation. What do you think?

[Bud Crue]

I never really understand these posts that are based on the premise that each tier is playing their own localized form of the game.

As a tier 2 and even tier 3 player you were just as likely to run into meta running "Gods and Monsters" and/or individuals/teams of EMP, SJR, etc. as you are at tier 1. The valves are open most of the time, we are all playing each other except on the extremes (if enough people are playing). Thus, there is nothing special about tier 1 that you weren't also experiencing at tier 2. Same folks, same chance ge of stomps. If we had a massive population then yes, you would have a reasonable chance of a greater occurrence of playing tier 3 and 4 opponents as a tier 2 rather than a tier 1; but we don't. As the game currently stands, T1-2 and often 3, are drawing opponents from the same pool.

So with that in mind, play the game as you want to play it and don't worry so much about Gods and Monsters, just worry about trying to be an asset to the team with whatever POS or "fun" build you decide to bring.

Edited by Bud Crue, 05 July 2017 - 07:26 AM.

[PyckenZot]

Not sure what you're getting at.

In solo queue driving anything ranging from my Uberbies to LBX Riflemen neither my K/D nor my W/L ratio takes massive hits from it.

In group queue you might indeed get roflolstomped when you bring inadequate gear. But that's a given in any situation.

[Jman5]

Brawl is not dead, it's just as map and mode dependent as long range builds. It's just a matter of understanding which maps are good for short range, which maps aren't, and not wasting your votes on bad maps/modes.

I've been mostly playing a Hunchback 4P with sub-300m medium lasers lately and I'm doing pretty well.

What sort of brawl builds are you running that you feel aren't working?

Edited by Jman5, 05 July 2017 - 07:26 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

Jman5, on 05 July 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

Brawl is not dead, it's just as map and mode dependent as long range builds. It's just a matter of understanding which maps are good for short range, which maps aren't, and not wasting your votes on bad maps/modes.

I've been mostly playing a Hunchback 4P with sub-300m medium lasers lately and I'm doing pretty well.

So what do you do when you're forced to play Polar orifice?

Edited by Mister Blastman, 05 July 2017 - 07:42 AM.

[process]

OP, I feel your pain, but I think you're putting T1 on a pedestal. Your experience has more to do with the hazards of playing solo pug, where team chemistry and composition are random, rather than some special quality of being T1. We still get stomps, potato builds, and bad tactics.

And as someone who's been playing mostly IS brawler/short range builds lately, I can assure you it's not all long range trading. With the exception of polar highlands, most of the in vogue maps offer plenty of cover and locations for brawling. Short of commanding your team, it often just depends on reading the situation and creating opportunities for yourself.

Edited by process, 05 July 2017 - 07:43 AM.

[H I A S]

razenWing, on 05 July 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

realm of Gods and Monsters.

If you want to do good consistently, brawl is basically dead in high tier game. Nobody got to that stage without the most effective method, which from the beginn8ng of time, has always been to shoot before you get shot back.

lol

Savage Wolf, on 05 July 2017 - 07:05 AM, said:

Problem is that some people like it. Maybe because that is how they earned their Tier 1 badge of honor for being good at the game. These also complain loudly if the meta is changed or their god mech is nerfed. They want their one track gratification. They will say it's about skills and gittin gud, but mostly it's just the skills and the gud that they have. They do not want that taken away, they do not want to evolve.

ahahahaha

Edited by H I A S, 05 July 2017 - 07:49 AM.

[Natred]

Razenwing I do not remember what your loadouts or mechs of choice are.

Mar x man you know imitation is a form of flattery. must have struck a nerve. hahaha tier one on lrms? Can not one 1 vs 1 to save your life? Anyways

Im guessing your talking about the brutal match maker in group q. Where some matches are won before they even start. Although we do have thoughs matches that were we break the odds and opposition due to teamwork. I know what you mean. We roll 4 to 8 people sometimes. At times we get the unproductive charlie lance begging for locks or off doing whatever the **** else while our team is brawling with the enemy. Nice to get the good teamates that are good people. They are the real mvps, the ones working with our shot caller and following our direction.

Edited by Natred, 05 July 2017 - 08:17 AM.

[Jman5]

Mister Blastman, on 05 July 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

So what do you do when you're forced to play Polar orifice?

complain in all-chat.

But seriously, some of these long range maps are more brawl-friendly if you can get the right game mode. Polar Highlands Skirmish is a snoozefest for brawlers. Polar Highlands Conquest or Domination have a lot more close range fighting.

Frozen city is similar. Assault mode is a horrible mess for short range, but Skirmish can be quite fun if you sprint down the 7 line. I actually will run ahead of my team putting on a laser light-show to try to get the enemy's team attention and turn toward me instead of NASCARing.

Vote the map, then see which map is probably going to win, and then choose the best mode for that map.

[PhoenixFire55]

Hardly see whats the difference. Same potatoes in tier.1 as in any other tier, only these play more.

[Chagatay]

Tier 1 as we all know is just an experience bar. If you play enough games you will eventually get to tier 1.

While it is possible to lower your rating it would be extremely difficult as it is designed to increase your rank. If you are determined however there is a legit way to tank your rating quickly while still playing as best you can. You will also build up a useful ability and improve your overall gaming prowess. I call it ambidexterity training and it is as simple as switching your mouse and keyboard hands. Even driving something like a missile boat will be SIGNIFICANTLY tougher.

[General Solo]

Mister Blastman, on 05 July 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

So what do you do when you're forced to play Polar orifice?

About a 1000 Damage

[Leone]

@OP, Next time we're contracted to the clans, hop on down to the Kell's Commandos Teamspeak and check if we've room. It's the rare drop we choose to go long range over midrange to brawl mechs. We'll show you our favourite brawling paths an let you brawl it up with us some, so long as we've the spare space.

(A warning, but queues've slowed down a bit the last couple a days, and we did get a ghost drop last monday. But the team right after us got an insta match.)

~Leone.

[Roadbuster]

T1 =/= T1

I know what you mean razenWing, because I can't stand meta.
There's not much PGI can do about meta, besides changing stats of weapons and mechs in an attempt of creating more variety and balance. People will always min/max and there will always be people who only have fun if they win, no matter which mech/loadout they have to use to reach that goal.
And then you have the people who think they will win if they play the same mech/loadout as some top players.

The truth is, there will always be matches where you're just overwhelmed by good players, while you have to watch your teammates trying to figure out why their mechs don't go in the direction they are looking at.
That's life.

But don't let others force you into mechs or builds you don't like. Because if you don't like what you're doing, you won't be very good at it either.
Just work out your own builds and make them work for YOU! Nobody else has to be effective with your mech.
Yust don't troll your team by using stupid builds like only MG and Flamers or such crap. Contribute as much as you can.

[Gwahlur]

Jman5, on 05 July 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

I've been mostly playing a Hunchback 4P with sub-300m medium lasers lately and I'm doing pretty well.

I've bought and been leveling the same mech lately too, been doing decently:



I believe I finally got my range above 300m on it now.

Got to tier 2 yesterday.

So far, I'm not having much trouble running the mechs I want to run, in fact, I havent got a single mech equipped with gauss/ppc (or lurms, for that matter)...

Edit: Thinking about it, I guess I'm not really adding much to the discussion here since I'm not tier 1 yet.. I just saw the post about the HBK-4P and wanted to reply

Edited by Gwahlur, 05 July 2017 - 08:25 AM.